So...uhh...this is gonna be a thing

[bigbellylover88]

I'd rather you not say that please

And I'd rather not have the mentally ill running around trying to promote their defects as a great thing.
I saw this same kind of dumbass shit cranked up to 11 many years ago with "otherkins" trying to pass off their belief that they are not just the wrong sex but also the wrong species and if they wanted to be real "special" maybe they were also an entirely fictional character from a piece of media.
Now pray tell what actual difference there is in thinking you're the wrong sex, species, or even a fictional character when it is 100% PROVABLE as wrong? Further why would going along with the lie (ultimately it is, even if the person believes it with the most genuine of sincerity) be in ANY way good for anyone or anything?

I'll agree that different species/fictional character stuff is a little ridiculous, but it doesn't really have anything to do with transgender people. First off, straight up, not a mental illness. Think of it as someone breaking the norm if you want to really simplify it. Gender is reaching a point where science doesn't really matter either. Girls can have dicks, and guys can have vaginas, it's just what's happening. You can't define someone's gender on their physical characteristics anymore. I can understand how it's frustrating seeing all this really drastic change, but you have to try and look at it with an open mind set. Choosing to just say it's wrong and an illness, makes you look uneducated and unwilling to accept change. Transphobia isn't an opinion, it's prejudice. "Going with the lie" as you say, is a good thing because it's just polite to address someone with their preferred name and pronouns that use.

Everything you just said is empirically and objectively wrong.

Reminds my of that scene from Last Jedi, you certainly aren't Luke Skywalker though. If you're not open to change and just choose to disregard everything I have to say, fine nothing I can do about that.

And this is why discussions like this do not belong in essentially a porn forum.

You want to have this kind of conversation? Fine, go to the proper panels to have that discussion, not in one of the few places people can go to get away from that. We are all here for a common interest/attraction/desire. Riddling it with social commentary where you're damned if you do or damned if you don't is pointless. You've shared your thoughts on it, but don't act like a victim by posting highly divisive talking points and not expect to have every viewpoint under the sun come back to refute/argue said points. You all said your piece on it. Expecting to make some life changing worldview alteration for someone on here is ridiculous.

It's devolved into a "You're wrong." "No you're wrong you bigot!" Childish back and forth.

Agree to disagree, shake hands, and move on with your lives. We're all adults here, act like it.

[anotherunreg]

And I'd rather not have the mentally ill running around trying to promote their defects as a great thing.
I saw this same kind of dumbass shit cranked up to 11 many years ago with "otherkins" trying to pass off their belief that they are not just the wrong sex but also the wrong species and if they wanted to be real "special" maybe they were also an entirely fictional character from a piece of media.
Now pray tell what actual difference there is in thinking you're the wrong sex, species, or even a fictional character when it is 100% PROVABLE as wrong? Further why would going along with the lie (ultimately it is, even if the person believes it with the most genuine of sincerity) be in ANY way good for anyone or anything?

I'll agree that different species/fictional character stuff is a little ridiculous, but it doesn't really have anything to do with transgender people. First off, straight up, not a mental illness. Think of it as someone breaking the norm if you want to really simplify it. Gender is reaching a point where science doesn't really matter either. Girls can have dicks, and guys can have vaginas, it's just what's happening. You can't define someone's gender on their physical characteristics anymore. I can understand how it's frustrating seeing all this really drastic change, but you have to try and look at it with an open mind set. Choosing to just say it's wrong and an illness, makes you look uneducated and unwilling to accept change. Transphobia isn't an opinion, it's prejudice. "Going with the lie" as you say, is a good thing because it's just polite to address someone with their preferred name and pronouns that use.

Everything you just said is empirically and objectively wrong.

Reminds my of that scene from Last Jedi, you certainly aren't Luke Skywalker though. If you're not open to change and just choose to disregard everything I have to say, fine nothing I can do about that.

And this is why discussions like this do not belong in essentially a porn forum.

You want to have this kind of conversation? Fine, go to the proper panels to have that discussion, not in one of the few places people can go to get away from that. We are all here for a common interest/attraction/desire. Riddling it with social commentary where you're damned if you do or damned if you don't is pointless. You've shared your thoughts on it, but don't act like a victim by posting highly divisive talking points and not expect to have every viewpoint under the sun come back to refute/argue said points. You all said your piece on it. Expecting to make some life changing worldview alteration for someone on here is ridiculous.

It's devolved into a "You're wrong." "No you're wrong you bigot!" Childish back and forth.

Agree to disagree, shake hands, and move on with your lives. We're all adults here, act like it.

Might not belong here but when someone posts this kind of content it becomes the proper panel to have this discussion, also this is the Open discussion board "General discussions. Anything goes." This isn't bothering the rest of the content the site is known for.

Sure the endless "U. No U." is stupid but that's always going to happen online since unlike IRL you can come back at your leisure and post a "U" or "No U" after being at work, shopping, etc. Doesn't matter how right or wrong either the "U" or No U-er" is it's gonna happen.
Debatably the more right one party is and the more wrong the other is ensures the "U. No U." goes on for longer. Since the person that's right isn't going to be talked over by an idiot and let them claim their position as right just because they said the last word, and the idiot is either outright too stupid to tell when the debate is done or is experiencing Dunning-Kruger and claim that the person that's right is the idiot.
This is much of why you see people on the internet more trying to argue for why OTHERS should care about their position (so they can get a personal army to silence the other party) and less effort being put in to make sure what they're saying is right. It's both easier and gives much more E-peen.

Inb4 someone wants to try sniping me with my own comment.

[bigbellylover88]

I'll agree that different species/fictional character stuff is a little ridiculous, but it doesn't really have anything to do with transgender people. First off, straight up, not a mental illness. Think of it as someone breaking the norm if you want to really simplify it. Gender is reaching a point where science doesn't really matter either. Girls can have dicks, and guys can have vaginas, it's just what's happening. You can't define someone's gender on their physical characteristics anymore. I can understand how it's frustrating seeing all this really drastic change, but you have to try and look at it with an open mind set. Choosing to just say it's wrong and an illness, makes you look uneducated and unwilling to accept change. Transphobia isn't an opinion, it's prejudice. "Going with the lie" as you say, is a good thing because it's just polite to address someone with their preferred name and pronouns that use.

Everything you just said is empirically and objectively wrong.

Reminds my of that scene from Last Jedi, you certainly aren't Luke Skywalker though. If you're not open to change and just choose to disregard everything I have to say, fine nothing I can do about that.

And this is why discussions like this do not belong in essentially a porn forum.

You want to have this kind of conversation? Fine, go to the proper panels to have that discussion, not in one of the few places people can go to get away from that. We are all here for a common interest/attraction/desire. Riddling it with social commentary where you're damned if you do or damned if you don't is pointless. You've shared your thoughts on it, but don't act like a victim by posting highly divisive talking points and not expect to have every viewpoint under the sun come back to refute/argue said points. You all said your piece on it. Expecting to make some life changing worldview alteration for someone on here is ridiculous.

It's devolved into a "You're wrong." "No you're wrong you bigot!" Childish back and forth.

Agree to disagree, shake hands, and move on with your lives. We're all adults here, act like it.

Might not belong here but when someone posts this kind of content it becomes the proper panel to have this discussion, also this is the Open discussion board "General discussions. Anything goes." This isn't bothering the rest of the content the site is known for.

Sure the endless "U. No U." is stupid but that's always going to happen online since unlike IRL you can come back at your leisure and post a "U" or "No U" after being at work, shopping, etc. Doesn't matter how right or wrong either the "U" or No U-er" is it's gonna happen.
Debatably the more right one party is and the more wrong the other is ensures the "U. No U." goes on for longer. Since the person that's right isn't going to be talked over by an idiot and let them claim their position as right just because they said the last word, and the idiot is either outright too stupid to tell when the debate is done or is experiencing Dunning-Kruger and claim that the person that's right is the idiot.
This is much of why you see people on the internet more trying to argue for why OTHERS should care about their position (so they can get a personal army to silence the other party) and less effort being put in to make sure what they're saying is right. It's both easier and gives much more E-peen.

Inb4 someone wants to try sniping me with my own comment.

So plant your flag, and walk away. Needlessly continuing an arguement that clearly isn't going anywhere besides swirling in the toilet bowl of differing options is pathetic, especially on a forum like this.

Welcome to the real world, where everyone has an opinion, and no one cares about yours.
This pertains to EVERYONE continuing this nonsense.

You want to keep the arguement going? Take it private. No one wants to see this virtual dick measuring and see who can out "You're wrong" the other.

[anotherunreg]

Everything you just said is empirically and objectively wrong.

Reminds my of that scene from Last Jedi, you certainly aren't Luke Skywalker though. If you're not open to change and just choose to disregard everything I have to say, fine nothing I can do about that.

And this is why discussions like this do not belong in essentially a porn forum.

You want to have this kind of conversation? Fine, go to the proper panels to have that discussion, not in one of the few places people can go to get away from that. We are all here for a common interest/attraction/desire. Riddling it with social commentary where you're damned if you do or damned if you don't is pointless. You've shared your thoughts on it, but don't act like a victim by posting highly divisive talking points and not expect to have every viewpoint under the sun come back to refute/argue said points. You all said your piece on it. Expecting to make some life changing worldview alteration for someone on here is ridiculous.

It's devolved into a "You're wrong." "No you're wrong you bigot!" Childish back and forth.

Agree to disagree, shake hands, and move on with your lives. We're all adults here, act like it.

Might not belong here but when someone posts this kind of content it becomes the proper panel to have this discussion, also this is the Open discussion board "General discussions. Anything goes." This isn't bothering the rest of the content the site is known for.

Sure the endless "U. No U." is stupid but that's always going to happen online since unlike IRL you can come back at your leisure and post a "U" or "No U" after being at work, shopping, etc. Doesn't matter how right or wrong either the "U" or No U-er" is it's gonna happen.
Debatably the more right one party is and the more wrong the other is ensures the "U. No U." goes on for longer. Since the person that's right isn't going to be talked over by an idiot and let them claim their position as right just because they said the last word, and the idiot is either outright too stupid to tell when the debate is done or is experiencing Dunning-Kruger and claim that the person that's right is the idiot.
This is much of why you see people on the internet more trying to argue for why OTHERS should care about their position (so they can get a personal army to silence the other party) and less effort being put in to make sure what they're saying is right. It's both easier and gives much more E-peen.

Inb4 someone wants to try sniping me with my own comment.

So plant your flag, and walk away. Needlessly continuing an arguement that clearly isn't going anywhere besides swirling in the toilet bowl of differing options is pathetic, especially on a forum like this.

Welcome to the real world, where everyone has an opinion, and no one cares about yours.
This pertains to EVERYONE continuing this nonsense.

You want to keep the arguement going? Take it private. No one wants to see this virtual dick measuring and see who can out "You're wrong" the other.

>So plant your flag, and walk away.
>This pertains to EVERYONE continuing this nonsense. 
Are you including yourself in this, or are you "exempt" because "both sides are stupid"?
>where everyone has an opinion, and no one cares about yours.
Likewise I don't particularly care about your issue with someone using the off topic board for off topic discussion.

[doubleintegral]

Nope.  I'm sorry, you can't just redefine gender like that.  Sex or gender dynamics took millions of years of evolution to refine and is the backbone of human interaction.  You can add to it for the existence of transpeople, sure.  A transwoman or transman who have sufficiently transitioned can be considered members of their preferred gender(Male or Female).  And yes, the science of this matters. Or are you saying science doesn't matter if it doesn't align with your beliefs? Aren't you kinda doing the same thing anti-vaxxers do? I don't mean to be rude but, this kind of thing irks me.

Actually, much of the recent science says that "sex" and "gender" are two terms that should no longer be used interchangeably, as we have done for a long time. Once you can start to understand the difference between the two it begins to make a lot of sense. It requires that you challenge some long-held beliefs, but at the end of the day that's basically what science asks of you: risking what you think you know in search of the real truth. You can't have the latter without doing the former.

[cheshcat2]

TLC, what happened to you?

[orta03]

I'd rather you not say that please

And I'd rather not have the mentally ill running around trying to promote their defects as a great thing.
I saw this same kind of dumbass shit cranked up to 11 many years ago with "otherkins" trying to pass off their belief that they are not just the wrong sex but also the wrong species and if they wanted to be real "special" maybe they were also an entirely fictional character from a piece of media.
Now pray tell what actual difference there is in thinking you're the wrong sex, species, or even a fictional character when it is 100% PROVABLE as wrong? Further why would going along with the lie (ultimately it is, even if the person believes it with the most genuine of sincerity) be in ANY way good for anyone or anything?

I'll agree that different species/fictional character stuff is a little ridiculous, but it doesn't really have anything to do with transgender people. First off, straight up, not a mental illness. Think of it as someone breaking the norm if you want to really simplify it. Gender is reaching a point where science doesn't really matter either. Girls can have dicks, and guys can have vaginas, it's just what's happening. You can't define someone's gender on their physical characteristics anymore. I can understand how it's frustrating seeing all this really drastic change, but you have to try and look at it with an open mind set. Choosing to just say it's wrong and an illness, makes you look uneducated and unwilling to accept change. Transphobia isn't an opinion, it's prejudice. "Going with the lie" as you say, is a good thing because it's just polite to address someone with their preferred name and pronouns that use.

Nope.  I'm sorry, you can't just redefine gender like that.  Sex or gender dynamics took millions of years of evolution to refine and is the backbone of human interaction.  You can add to it for the existence of transpeople, sure.  A transwoman or transman who have sufficiently transitioned can be considered members of their preferred gender(Male or Female).  And yes, the science of this matters.  Or are you saying science doesn't matter if it doesn't align with your beliefs?  Aren't you kinda doing the same thing anti-vaxxers do?  I don't mean to be rude but, this kind of thing irks me. 

Also, consider the implications of what you're proposing.  If there is no longer a clear distinction between men and women or what constitutes a "trans" individual, that leaves a lot of room for misuse or worse abuse.

Science does matter I suppose, I was more or less saying that physical appearance doesn't 100% determine anything anymore. You put in a better way than I could in a sense.

I was kind of harsh there.  I apologize for that.  I understand that being trans is not easy.  This heated political climate probably makes this harder than it needs to be.

[Theguyinahat]

In all honesty i think it would be neat to meet one of them or to be friends with someone who is doing it. Like thats my opinion. Im glad that they can start a family and that he is willing to do it

[robj420]

It's weird that there's so much taboo here that is accepted like sexualization of childbirth, mpreg, inflation, that it's a bridge too far for some that people would be sexually attracted to trans men who become pregnant. It seems incredibly within the bounds of what to expect on this website.

[orta03]

It's weird that there's so much taboo here that is accepted like sexualization of childbirth, mpreg, inflation, that it's a bridge too far for some that people would be sexually attracted to trans men who become pregnant.  It seems incredibly within the bounds of what to expect on this website.

It's not hard to understand why.  Most pregophiles are heterosexual men.  Meaning that pregnant women would be the primary focus of their attraction.  Guys who like mpreg probably would enjoy a pregnant transman.