(July 25, 2020, 2:24 pm)Avarics @"THISISFUNNY" , I wouldn’t be in my field firstly if it did not exist. The monetary gain I get is necessary and minor compared to the feeling I get from helping people. I’m in criminology and legal studies. I was motivated to do such because of the injustices not just committed by my fellow citizens, but also by the law enforcement officials, politicians and other crooks out there. There’s plenty of other fields and jobs I can take that’ll pay me much more than what I have been offered now. Like I said, that isn’t my motivation.

I specialize in human-trafficking, mostly sex-trafficking, and organized crime. Often times I have seen in my work and research is that there are compliant/corrupt officials helping the crime syndicates as well, especially in India and Mexico.

My selected social science of criminology combines some of the others with nonscientific fields like philosophy and legal studies/ethics. So, I am often required to pull from other sources like economics, sociology, psychology, and even brain chemistry to to explain what cannot be seen just from testimony or evidence.

And yes, I did mock you. You seem to mock most of the people you disagree with. So, I thought one more troll might want to see the roles reversed. Firstly, you outright called these people diseased and maniac idiots. C’mon... We know you could’ve used different language than that... I understand respect should be earned, but what has the transgender community done to get your goat? I’d understand if you were Canadian since free-speech has been violated there with recent legislation, but in America it is still relatively the same.

For me, slightly changing how to address certain people when they ask for it is not a hard chore. It doesn’t bother me, and I’d expect the same if I requested such. There should always be some level of respect between people. Once again, most people don’t walk the streets yammering at people and saying they’re cunts all the time. Do you? I don’t think you would. People would just think you’re an asshole. What stops you here? Nothing. Anonymous username. No need to worry about any social ramifications for being a jerk, so why not?

Yes, I am a hypocrite on what I am saying. But in my first post in the thread, I didn’t come out the gate calling people morons. If I did, go ahead and call me on it. I’ll own up to it. But the difference was that you are complaining about possibly having your speech drowned and taken away. That is possible, but I doubt it’ll happen. That is why I made the “victim” claim. You’re complaining when you’re relatively unaffected by all of this.

All I want is some careful consideration in debate. Reasoned. Proper. Polite. Serious and to the point. I always have to work against having some emotional responses, myself. This is a sensitive subject matter. People will always be offended if the connotations are truly serious. We should all take a step back  and evaluate not just where we come from but where the other sides come from. I’m practically a devil’s advocate in this. I see the sense in both sides, but I dislike the outright hate from both and sometimes myself. It is better, like I offered, to take a step back and check our emotions at the door sometimes. We can’t learn anything if we don’t open ourselves up to different views. I always have to keep my mind open to change, even if I think I never will. Time always proves me wrong. The point of you always saying the opposing side is ridiculous is the real sense of ridiculousness. And they do it back to you as well. I don’t think “tone-policing” is what I would describe it as. More like the Golden Rule and common sense. Treat people the way you want to be treated, but don’t be kicked onto the ground like a dying dog. There’s always time to walk away and let things sit on their own.

I don’t claim to have objective truths in opinionated discussion, like you do. I only made an objective claim earlier to cement the fact that social sciences are genuine in description and name. I don’t believe there is such a thing as political correctness, but only political victory. Who seems to win holds the power, but their opinions are not “right”. They are opinionated. Science can be seen as objective due to the continuous review made about such. I just want people to take ALL views into account compared to their own. That is the only way progress continues. Consensus and compromise, but I see too much fighting instead so I’ll call it out.

Maybe my effort is futile, but that won’t make me quit. I believe in humanity, so I won’t give up hope for a better future now. Cooperation is the way to go, to me.

But I’ll leave my thoughts there. I doubt many of you have the time for this short essay.

TLDR: Be respectful in your points. Reasoned dialogue backed up with facts derived not only from a single source. Biology isn’t the only legit field. There are numerous other ones applicable here.

>I wouldn’t be in my field firstly if it did not exist.
Neither would lobbyists.
>You seem to mock most of the people you disagree with.
If you're a big enough screw up that I disagree with you, you're also a big enough screw up that I'm not going to bother hiding my contempt.
>Firstly, you outright called these people diseased and maniac idiots.
"Yay mentally ill people trying to be the opposite sex."
>but what has the transgender community done to get your goat?
Insulting my intelligence.
>I’d understand if you were Canadian since free-speech has been violated there with recent legislation, but in America it is still relatively the same.
So, just let them become a problem here and only then do I have reason to take issue with them? Nah, I like my country to NOT be run by those defectives.
>For me, slightly changing how to address certain people when they ask for it is not a hard chore.
I'm not enabling them.
>I see the sense in both sides,
The quasi-demi-alphabetti sexuals have no sense, there's a reason "pronouns in the bio, opinions in the trash" is a thing.

No matter how funny the “neither would lobbyists” remark is, it need not apply to me. All I meant was the comedic effect of looking at things literally first. I already gave you my motivations about my work and research. But let’s get to the main point of this thread, shall we?

You’ve inadvertently pointed out your logical fallacy in your argument/position. Straw-manning the other side. “If you’re a big enough screw-up to disagree with me then you’re also an idiot enough to provoke me to berate you and not hide my contempt.” Not precisely how you said it, but it fully explains your narcissistic claim to objective, absolute knowledge on the subject. I claim no such knowledge, and I am always learning. However skeptic I may be, I don’t simply toss aside things just because they conflict with my views and beliefs. If anything, they help synthesize a new view in relation to new problems and concerns. An adaptable mindset is more convenient, efficient, and long-lasting. I doubt you believe that the Sun is a deity, right? Ideas and views change through time. Being able to adapt my own as the world changes is best because of how interconnected the world is now.

I think we’re done here, @"THISISFUNNY" . You’ve admitted that people insulting your intelligence has evoked an emotional response out of you. It is warranted. But again, you opened with the “mentally ill” excuse. Hmm... Seems to be insulting their intelligence as well, so you dig yourself into a hole and now claim to be in the right. Two wrongs don’t make a right, man. Cliché saying, but true in this case. Plus, you’re kind of admitting you think they’re maniacs because now you’re calling them defectives lol. Insulting those you disagree with takes away from your points and reasoning, and I agree that people who have disagreed with you do the same. This is why I recommended to offer a hand of respect. The childish “my way or the highway” solves nothing and only goes so far by ignoring the issue at hand.

You have your opinions and a right to hold them, but I still think it is key to effectively communicate them in a civil manner. You’ll level with many more people if you acknowledge they are people, just as you are, and not blithering propagandists with nothing better to do than wreck your worldview. They could accuse you of doing the same thing. We are only human, and all of us can act this way. But I still believe we should strive to be perfect. Reasoned dialogue with open-mindedness can go a long way. We’ve made it this far. Why stop now?

(July 25, 2020, 4:39 pm)Avarics No matter how funny the “neither would lobbyists” remark is, it need not apply to me. All I meant was the comedic effect of looking at things literally first. I already gave you my motivations about my work and research. But let’s get to the main point of this thread, shall we?

You’ve inadvertently pointed out your logical fallacy in your argument/position. Straw-manning the other side. “If you’re a big enough screw-up to disagree with me then you’re also an idiot enough to provoke me to berate you and not hide my contempt.” Not precisely how you said it, but it fully explains your narcissistic claim to objective, absolute knowledge on the subject. I claim no such knowledge, and I am always learning. However skeptic I may be, I don’t simply toss aside things just because they conflict with my views and beliefs. If anything, they help synthesize a new view in relation to new problems and concerns. An adaptable mindset is more convenient, efficient, and long-lasting. I doubt you believe that the Sun is a deity, right? Ideas and views change through time. Being able to adapt my own as the world changes is best because of how interconnected the world is now.

I think we’re done here, @"THISISFUNNY" . You’ve admitted that people insulting your intelligence has evoked an emotional response out of you. It is warranted. But again, you opened with the “mentally ill” excuse. Hmm... Seems to be insulting their intelligence as well, so you dig yourself into a hole and now claim to be in the right. Two wrongs don’t make a right, man. Cliché saying, but true in this case. Plus, you’re kind of admitting you think they’re maniacs because now you’re calling them defectives lol. Insulting those you disagree with takes away from your points and reasoning, and I agree that people who have disagreed with you do the same. This is why I recommended to offer a hand of respect. The childish “my way or the highway” solves nothing and only goes so far by ignoring the issue at hand.

You have your opinions and a right to hold them, but I still think it is key to effectively communicate them in a civil manner. You’ll level with many more people if you acknowledge they are people, just as you are, and not blithering propagandists with nothing better to do than wreck your worldview. They could accuse you of doing the same thing. We are only human, and all of us can act this way. But I still believe we should strive to be perfect. Reasoned dialogue with open-mindedness can go a long way. We’ve made it this far. Why stop now?

"I claim no knowledge, and I am always accepting the newest thing simply because it's new. However skeptic I should be, I don’t hold any views or beliefs."
Not precisely how you said it, but it fully explains why you do it for monetary gain.
"You’ve admitted that people insulting your intelligence has evoked an emotional response out of you."
You do know what "insulting my intelligence" implies in the context of this conversation right?
I've already made REPEATED mention that what they THINK is irrelevant when a simple test can be done to see what their sex is. Yet they and/or their white knights still want to claim the blatantly wrong position is the correct one because their DEFECTIVE (Yes I'm calling them defectives because that's what they are you lolling nimrod) brain tells em they're the wrong sex.
"blithering propagandists with nothing better to do than wreck your worldview."
They are blithering idiots spouting off propaganda and they are warped enough that regardless of intention (which they have made clear their intentions are in no way good for "cishets") they will indeed wreck "my" (there's really no "my" to any of this it's just reality) worldview if given the chance.

Look, @"THISISFUNNY" . I hope you take a look back at my post and read it with a fresh slate. “However skeptic I may be, I don’t simply toss aside things just because they conflict with my views and beliefs. If anything, they help synthesize a new view in relation to new problems and concerns. An adaptable mindset is more convenient, efficient, and long-lasting.” I’m an Atheist, Libertarian, and a Transhumanist. Those are my concrete beliefs, but they adapt as time changes. New issues arise. New debates. New problems. I’ve gone from being Hard-Right to where I am now. Raised Biblebelt kid, by the way.

I don’t just believe in helping humanity because it helps me sleep at night sometimes, but there’s a deep love for what I have and the world. Out of all the possible beings, me. I was made. I enjoy giving back. No matter how pessimistic I am in the small, picked apart view in my life, I always have hope for the broad future that is further than me.

You want to truly know why I do what I do everyday in criminology? It’s futile, indeed. But not for monetary gain. Those are there for me to simply live, eat, drink, clothe myself, and pay rent. What extra I have I spend as I see fit though, like anyone would if they have cash.

The real reason I do what I do is because I don’t want anyone else to be victimized like I have. I haven’t told this story to the forum, publicly at least. To a few close friends I’ve made here, and I’m grateful to have them. It isn’t something simple like, “Hey, I was robbed once too,” or something similar. It’s something that wrecked my life for a time with paranoia, anxiety, and depression. No worse feeling than having someone do something to you and they get away with it, and when a bunch of people don’t believe your story just because it doesn’t fit-in with common trends that media or academics discuss. Something men are ashamed to talk about, emotions. Society shamed them about it, and it hurts. That’s why I do what I do. Recall what I said I specialized in with my work. They are similar, but I wasn’t trafficked. I won’t go further, but you might be able to make out what it was. I don’t feel like opening up an old wound tonight.

All I wanted to offer is my end. I’m not in criminology for the money. It’s deeply personal to me, and I owe the people who helped me along. To give back. To lend a hand. Which is why I try to help anyone who’s been casted out for how they feel, especially if they are told they are worthless or “defective” as you’ve said.

We are all still human-beings. Social creatures with hopes, dreams, nightmares, and sorrow. Complex.

I just ask to people that aren’t open to the opposing view, open the mind up. Let something in. Let it swirl around. Let the thoughts develop. If we just talk things out and try to hold the ruthlessness back, we might just get somewhere.

I’d ask again to you, personally. Just try to see the other side. Trust me, I do with people everyday. I love that the planet is so diverse in opinions. Life would be boring if we were all the same. That’s why I defend free-speech. Yet, I still believe we can take a step back and say it in a better way. To show that it isn’t all just hate and contempt.

But I can’t change you, man. I always hope I can try to change people for the better, in how I see it. Then again, I just want you to take what I said and think about it. Life’s far too short to be so bitter. From all the times in my past where I just wanted it all to be over for me, for life to end. I cannot regret those thoughts more than I do now.

That’s about all I have to say on the matter now. So I think I’ll take my own advice and step back to see how others will contribute to the thread. It’s been pretty one-sided with me.

(July 25, 2020, 3:35 pm)THISISFUNNY >You seem to mock most of the people you disagree with.
If you're a big enough screw up that I disagree with you, you're also a big enough screw up that I'm not going to bother hiding my contempt.

Hahahahahahaha. What a steaming pile of arrogant sociopathic horseshit.

Thanks for posting it, though. I had debated putting you on ignore but decided against it; now I know I can do it with impunity.

(July 23, 2020, 1:02 pm)orta03

(July 23, 2020, 12:12 pm)robj420 It's weird that there's so much taboo here that is accepted like sexualization of childbirth, mpreg, inflation, that it's a bridge too far for some that people would be sexually attracted to trans men who become pregnant.  It seems incredibly within the bounds of what to expect on this website.

It's not hard to understand why.  Most pregophiles are heterosexual men.  Meaning that pregnant women would be the primary focus of their attraction.  Guys who like mpreg probably would enjoy a pregnant transman.

Right.  This seems to be a site that caters to interests of all sorts pregnancy related.  Not everything is for everyone.

@"Avarics"
1. Explain how a person that THINKS they're something they quite obviously aren't in ANY way equivalent to a person expressing emotion.
2. Explain what a person would be if they THINK they're something they quite obviously aren't.


In doubleintegral's general direction. Thanks for letting me know, I too have added you to mine.

(July 26, 2020, 11:07 pm)THISISFUNNY @"Avarics"
1. Explain how a person that THINKS they're something they quite obviously aren't in ANY way equivalent to a person expressing emotion.
2. Explain what a person would be if they THINK they're something they quite obviously aren't.

Well for the first, a person who thinks they are male in gender but biologically female can choose which they identify with more and might go through with surgery to come to terms with it. With therapy through medicinal drugs or a therapist, they come to terms with what is going on in their mind. This is common not just for transgenders, but anyone with conditions or concerns about their mental health. It’s what clinical and abnormal psychologists use everyday. There’s even people born with chimerism, made popular on House M.D.. Interesting stuff, but can be a hindrance on someone like any other chronic condition.

For the second, let’s use psychopathy. Most don’t know it. So they think they’re normal, until they see signs of such. Either aware themselves or alerted by others, some come to terms with it or deny it. The same can be said for those of the transgender identities.

But that is my view, and I’m not qualified to speak on the nitty-gritty. I don’t have faith in myself to do it properly. So I’d recommend looking at primary resources. Straight from the research. Peer-reviewed. Not hindered by media interpretation.

These aren’t simple decisions being made. It is extremely complex and means a lot to them. We must always imagine how it would feel to be in their shoes. And best of all, talk with them. Figure things out, but respect their rights and freedoms as human-beings.