(March 29, 2021, 10:41 am)Avarics @freedomfed  (so we don’t make the thread even harder to read if we keep up long replies lol),

You have to realize that impregnating someone through vaginal intercourse is vastly different than these two men who donated their sperm. Sperm donations go to these foundations where they now hold the genetic material like a license they can give out. You going over there and cumming inside a woman is wayyyyy different than giving your spunk to a sperm bank. By naturally impregnating a woman, you will be put on the birth certificate as the father after a paternity test. If you naturally inseminate, you are the father in the legal system.

I work in the legal field, and LTK has experience with this stuff as well. You’re not going to get away scot-free from this. Imagine if both go through hard times not even because of kids but other things. Child support demands will come in. The conditions as to how and when you can fully terminate your parental rights and responsibilities are extremely limited.

Again, I must reiterate this before you get into a word of trouble just to satisfy your feelings about this fetish: do not go through with this! Dire consequences will follow, and you will be the parent of the kids no matter what some lawyer or the mothers say to you. Those are lives. Lives you want to create just to get yourself off from through breeding and pregnancy. Really? Is that how you want to make your children? Just solely out of some selfish desire to knock up as many women as you can? Alright, Genghis Khan... That lifestyle might’ve been acceptable a few centuries ago, but today? It won’t stick well.

You aren’t the first I’ve tried to convince against this, by the way. This is common within our fetish. But you need to realize the severity of the situation. You shouldn’t go through with this. There are plenty other ways of satisfying your desires and achieving the sex-life you wish to have. Hell, ask @alexnj ! I feel like he’s an expert on this stuff, or at least one of the best sources on this forum for advice. I’d listen to him if I were you!

Plus, the whole thing about naive sluts into bloated cum dumpsters points out that you don’t value these women outside of their breeding capabilities. Doesn’t that already tell you that you’re doing this for the wrong reasons?

Not an expert, just experienced and logical.      I do think there is a line with everything,  and I do think Freedomfed is less than an inch off that line, while Chicken Lawyer is  500 miles beyond that line.   Yes sometimes it might be easier not to know who the father is or if you made a kid.  Again people can afford a kid but not IVF.  My wife wanted a baby by 30 weather she was in a relationship or not.  I dont think my wife would have qualified for IVF given her background so the only other option is find a guy and have him cum in you

(March 29, 2021, 5:46 pm)Avarics

(March 29, 2021, 5:40 pm)Thechickenlawyer I'll say it this way: women are attractive during their 6th-9th month of pregnancy.. after they have the baby, they are like an empty stained filled bag: useless. I'm sure when moms post those pics of "on the right pregnant & on the left non pregnant" the left will always look better. The only women that are found attractive are ones that aren't taken because no one wants to see the guy in pics or videos, they ruin the baby momma dance vids and I don't have the $ to edit their harry asses out. When I'm with my gf, our 1 rule is no vaginal sex cus don't want kids. I lock my pants up tight at night so she can't go in them & I rarely eat or drink anything she gives me.

There are stories online of women who don't want kids but enjoyed the pregnancy, 1 woman has 2 kids but hates them & she's scared to tell her man cus she knows she will be shamed from her family.

I carry dampners with me at all times that stop any wire, camera or device from filming or getting me. I have a police buddy that created an app for me that lets me know if any police or FBI are near me. I use my VPN & burner phones to make calls & my car is specially made to not be tracked. My best friend pays my phone bill, monthly bills so nothing is traced back to me. My real name is nowhere online and is only on my birth certificate. The devices and everything else are owned by others so it doesn't come back to me. Any camera that "catches me" shuts down until I leave.

Ever heard of overly paranoid? Lol, I have trouble believing that any of this is true and might just be a troll post. But remarking that women are useless except for three months during their entire lives? Yeah, no wonder you haven’t won friends on here with that attitude.

Sorry, man. But that? That just shows your flawed mindset. Ever heard of beauty being in the eye of the beholder? Meaning beauty is subjective and not objective. I’m willing to bet tons of other people on here will fight your judgement that women are only hot when 6-9 months pregnant. The whole of society disagrees with that logic lol.

I see what you mean, I'll rephrase what I meant: I see lots of attractive non pregnant women out there, I belong to 2 reddits about 2 women (1 that maybe chooses to be single). But most of us follow moms for their 6-9 month content & after they are done, we just sit & wait for them to be pregnant again (they will because people have sex without thinking.) What do we do after they have their kids? I'm black btw so the reason I listed those things is bc I don't want the feds to do anything to me. Black people are already thought of as dangerous to the government. 

Theres plenty of attractive women out there that aren't pregnant but I was refering to the marries ones or single moms. Once the pregnancy content is gone then what? Their kids are in almost egery post & no man wants to look at a post where the baby (or other family) is involved. That ruins the fun.

An impregnation/breeding fetish is its own thing. While it often intersects with attraction to pregnancy, it's a thing unto itself and many women experience this too. I'm not sure why people are getting worked up about a well-known and distinct (but often overlapping) fetish. This isn't necessarily a logical extension of being attracted to pregnancy. For example: someone can have a strong desire to get pregnant, or impregnate, without finding pregnancy itself particularly sexy.

Take a look at Fetlife. I'm not condoning having a bunch of kids with random girls and not supporting them, but trust me, this is not an uncommon fetish. There are probably more females than males with a strong "breeding" fetish.

Most of what's written by guys is fantasy. OP is probably a fantasy. I myself have a strong impulse to knock girls up. To be honest, I'd probably act on this if there were no repercussions in terms of child support.

(March 29, 2021, 11:01 pm)thevip An impregnation/breeding fetish is its own thing. While it often intersects with attraction to pregnancy, it's a thing unto itself and many women experience this too. I'm not sure why people are getting worked up about a well-known and distinct (but often overlapping) fetish. This isn't necessarily a logical extension of being attracted to pregnancy. For example: someone can have a strong desire to get pregnant, or impregnate, without finding pregnancy itself particularly sexy.

Take a look at Fetlife. I'm not condoning having a bunch of kids with random girls and not supporting them, but trust me, this is not an uncommon fetish. There are probably more females than males with a strong "breeding" fetish.

Most of what's written by guys is fantasy. OP is probably a fantasy. I myself have a strong impulse to knock girls up. To be honest, I'd probably act on this if there were no repercussions in terms of child support.

 I have seen people with fetishises where they want to get bred and couples who fetisise about the wife having another man's baby.   These are great fantasies but if the marriage goes south than it becomes an unmitigated shit show more than a regular divorce.   Yes there is a desire for women to get pregnant.   Yes there are bad actors who want to spread there seed and will either poke holes in the condom or pull the condom off and cum.   (Watch the Law and Order SVU with John Stamos for example)  Before I met my wife I looked at having sex with pregnant or menstruating women as responsible since I can't keep a condom on.   I even met my wife because I needed to dump 2 months worth of cum and knew a condom would not hold it so I sought out a pregnant woman, instead of fucking someone with a condom that I know I would cum through.  I think what @freedomfed is doing is fantasy and close to the line, maybe a little behind it maybe a little over it.  What the @Thechickenlawyer is doing is borderline criminal.

(March 29, 2021, 11:01 pm)thevip An impregnation/breeding fetish is its own thing. While it often intersects with attraction to pregnancy, it's a thing unto itself and many women experience this too. I'm not sure why people are getting worked up about a well-known and distinct (but often overlapping) fetish. This isn't necessarily a logical extension of being attracted to pregnancy. For example: someone can have a strong desire to get pregnant, or impregnate, without finding pregnancy itself particularly sexy.

Take a look at Fetlife. I'm not condoning having a bunch of kids with random girls and not supporting them, but trust me, this is not an uncommon fetish. There are probably more females than males with a strong "breeding" fetish.

Most of what's written by guys is fantasy. OP is probably a fantasy. I myself have a strong impulse to knock girls up. To be honest, I'd probably act on this if there were no repercussions in terms of child support.

This is exactly what I was going to say. This is about a breeding fetish, not a pregnancy fetish. For everyone here who feels that their innocent pregnancy fetish is being dragged through the mud, fear not -- it's fine.

And... yeah, this stuff is way, way, waaaaay more common than a lot of the people here must know. FetLife is overflowing with breeding groups. I don't know how they operate realistically because that must be one hell of a mess, but they're out there. We appear to have gotten a little overflow here.

Be careful to make a distinction between the breeding fetish, and the inevitable outcome of the breeding fetish. In other words: don't kink shame. The breeding fetish is as valid as the pregnancy fetish. That's all square. But yeah being reckless about causing new humans, and what that all entails, well err...... um. Yeah.

(March 30, 2021, 12:17 am)Akhenaten

(March 29, 2021, 11:01 pm)thevip An impregnation/breeding fetish is its own thing. While it often intersects with attraction to pregnancy, it's a thing unto itself and many women experience this too. I'm not sure why people are getting worked up about a well-known and distinct (but often overlapping) fetish. This isn't necessarily a logical extension of being attracted to pregnancy. For example: someone can have a strong desire to get pregnant, or impregnate, without finding pregnancy itself particularly sexy.

Take a look at Fetlife. I'm not condoning having a bunch of kids with random girls and not supporting them, but trust me, this is not an uncommon fetish. There are probably more females than males with a strong "breeding" fetish.

Most of what's written by guys is fantasy. OP is probably a fantasy. I myself have a strong impulse to knock girls up. To be honest, I'd probably act on this if there were no repercussions in terms of child support.

This is exactly what I was going to say. This is about a breeding fetish, not a pregnancy fetish. For everyone here who feels that their innocent pregnancy fetish is being dragged through the mud, fear not -- it's fine.

And... yeah, this stuff is way, way, waaaaay more common than a lot of the people here must know. FetLife is overflowing with breeding groups. I don't know how they operate realistically because that must be one hell of a mess, but they're out there. We appear to have gotten a little overflow here.

Be careful to make a distinction between the breeding fetish, and the inevitable outcome of the breeding fetish. In other words: don't kink shame. The breeding fetish is as valid as the pregnancy fetish. That's all square. But yeah being reckless about causing new humans, and what that all entails, well err...... um. Yeah.

Well, you tend to bring up “don’t kink-shame” often on this site. But this time, you’re wrong in that assumption. I don’t care if people breed, obviously as a maiesiophile. I’d just prefer they’d be respectful, honest, and responsible human-beings like anyone else would want them to be.

Getting back to my three main points of why I disagreed so much with the OP:
1. Dehumanizing women into ignorant objects that are only meant for procreation, evidenced by his obligatory comment. Sorry, but I understand there’s a time and place for horny dialogue. Trust me, we all engage in it. But was this executed well? No.
2. Having no plans on being involved in the children’s lives and essentially disappearing afterwards by assuming that some kind of phony legal contract can save him. This isn’t true as I stated earlier.
3. And to end on, having no regard or concern for questions that might come up in the children’s minds about their paternal links. I don’t know if these two Caucasian women are with African Americans already or mixed identities, but any kid that has a blonde mom and maybe a redhead “dad”, for example, would question why they might not have those traits expressed as well as their parents. The sore thumb that might stick out. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to never know my father, since I’ve grown into such a close relationship with my own despite after fighting to resolve years of conflict. And, my grandpa never knew who his dad was. It bothered him until the grave, and he always wished he’d know who he was or at least what he looked like. Obviously, not everyone is as sentimental towards family as I am, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have the potential for that either. Every individual is unique, but shrouding one’s true parentage in mystery might cause more harm than good.

And with that, I’ll disengage from this thread. I feel that I’ve said all I reasonably can and want others to continue the discussion instead of me harping on like a broken record.

(March 30, 2021, 4:16 am)Avarics

(March 30, 2021, 12:17 am)Akhenaten

(March 29, 2021, 11:01 pm)thevip An impregnation/breeding fetish is its own thing. While it often intersects with attraction to pregnancy, it's a thing unto itself and many women experience this too. I'm not sure why people are getting worked up about a well-known and distinct (but often overlapping) fetish. This isn't necessarily a logical extension of being attracted to pregnancy. For example: someone can have a strong desire to get pregnant, or impregnate, without finding pregnancy itself particularly sexy.

Take a look at Fetlife. I'm not condoning having a bunch of kids with random girls and not supporting them, but trust me, this is not an uncommon fetish. There are probably more females than males with a strong "breeding" fetish.

Most of what's written by guys is fantasy. OP is probably a fantasy. I myself have a strong impulse to knock girls up. To be honest, I'd probably act on this if there were no repercussions in terms of child support.

This is exactly what I was going to say. This is about a breeding fetish, not a pregnancy fetish. For everyone here who feels that their innocent pregnancy fetish is being dragged through the mud, fear not -- it's fine.

And... yeah, this stuff is way, way, waaaaay more common than a lot of the people here must know. FetLife is overflowing with breeding groups. I don't know how they operate realistically because that must be one hell of a mess, but they're out there. We appear to have gotten a little overflow here.

Be careful to make a distinction between the breeding fetish, and the inevitable outcome of the breeding fetish. In other words: don't kink shame. The breeding fetish is as valid as the pregnancy fetish. That's all square. But yeah being reckless about causing new humans, and what that all entails, well err...... um. Yeah.

Well, you tend to bring up “don’t kink-shame” often on this site. But this time, you’re wrong in that assumption. I don’t care if people breed, obviously as a maiesiophile. I’d just prefer they’d be respectful, honest, and responsible human-beings like anyone else would want them to be.

Getting back to my three main points of why I disagreed so much with the OP:
1. Dehumanizing women into ignorant objects that are only meant for procreation, evidenced by his obligatory comment. Sorry, but I understand there’s a time and place for horny dialogue. Trust me, we all engage in it. But was this executed well? No.
2. Having no plans on being involved in the children’s lives and essentially disappearing afterwards by assuming that some kind of phony legal contract can save him. This isn’t true as I stated earlier.
3. And to end on, having no regard or concern for questions that might come up in the children’s minds about their paternal links. I don’t know if these two Caucasian women are with African Americans already or mixed identities, but any kid that has a blonde mom and maybe a redhead “dad”, for example, would question why they might not have those traits expressed as well as their parents. The sore thumb that might stick out. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to never know my father, since I’ve grown into such a close relationship with my own despite after fighting to resolve years of conflict. And, my grandpa never knew who his dad was. It bothered him until the grave, and he always wished he’d know who he was or at least what he looked like. Obviously, not everyone is as sentimental towards family as I am, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have the potential for that either. Every individual is unique, but shrouding one’s true parentage in mystery might cause more harm than good.

And with that, I’ll disengage from this thread. I feel that I’ve said all I reasonably can and want others to continue the discussion instead of me harping on like a broken record.

I will play devils advocate for a second and use my family.  I met my wife when she was 4 months pregnant.   She was pregnant by a man with similar complexion to me. (Blond hair, blue eyes pale skin to complement my wifes  Native American complexion)   we can pull it off.  The only people who know our oldest did not come from me are me and my wife and we dont have  have any intention of messing with that anytime soon.  We can pull it off.  2 white people raising a mixed race baby can't.  Again I understand a woman's desire for a baby, and I relize it is easier for a woman to get pregnant and raise a child on her own without telling the father.   As a fellow parent I will not judge a woman for wanting a baby without a relationship.   They can pull it off.  Men can't.

Can you share those groups, I’d love to be a donor

(March 30, 2021, 4:16 am)Avarics

(March 30, 2021, 12:17 am)Akhenaten Be careful to make a distinction between the breeding fetish, and the inevitable outcome of the breeding fetish. In other words: don't kink shame. The breeding fetish is as valid as the pregnancy fetish. That's all square. But yeah being reckless about causing new humans, and what that all entails, well err...... um. Yeah.

Well, you tend to bring up “don’t kink-shame” often on this site. But this time, you’re wrong in that assumption. I don’t care if people breed, obviously as a maiesiophile. I’d just prefer they’d be respectful, honest, and responsible human-beings like anyone else would want them to be.

Nope... still right. Don't kink shame people, even for stuff you think is icky, disrespectful, or dehumanizing. You can (and just did) tell them they're awful people for how they engage in their kinks if you find they're acting without concern for the safety and well-being of others (i.e. targeting non-consenting adults -- you know, the societally- and morally-reprehensible stuff), but as a rule, telling someone their kink is straight-up invalid is bullshit. Draw a distinction between the kink/imagination and the act itself. I don't think saying a bunch of awful things about women is cool either, but there are people who get off on that (both saying it about others and hearing it about themselves). Time and place matter, and here is... questionable.

(March 30, 2021, 11:20 am)Akhenaten

(March 30, 2021, 4:16 am)Avarics

(March 30, 2021, 12:17 am)Akhenaten Be careful to make a distinction between the breeding fetish, and the inevitable outcome of the breeding fetish. In other words: don't kink shame. The breeding fetish is as valid as the pregnancy fetish. That's all square. But yeah being reckless about causing new humans, and what that all entails, well err...... um. Yeah.

Well, you tend to bring up “don’t kink-shame” often on this site. But this time, you’re wrong in that assumption. I don’t care if people breed, obviously as a maiesiophile. I’d just prefer they’d be respectful, honest, and responsible human-beings like anyone else would want them to be.

Nope... still right. Don't kink shame people, even for stuff you think is icky, disrespectful, or dehumanizing. However, you can tell them they're awful people for how they engage in their kinks if you find they're acting without concern for the safety and well-being of others (i.e. targeting non-consenting adults -- you know, the societally and morally reprehensible stuff), but to tell them their kink is straight-up invalid is bullshit. Draw a distinction between the kink/imagination and the act itself. I don't think saying a bunch of awful things about women is cool, but there are people who get off on that (both saying it and hearing it). I do think breeding as a fantasy is awesome, but engaging in it sounds like a nightmare...

Again, the kink-shaming accusation isn’t true. I have no problems with the breeding fetish. I only said that I wish people who engage in it, like you agree with, should be responsible for their actions and support their children as much as possible just like any parent should.

Kink-shaming need not apply here because I’m criticizing his motivations and methodology while not the idea of breeding. Only irresponsible breeding and abandoning his own children. The whole misogynistic pump-and-dump attitude, which is why I likened it to Genghis Khan earlier. Sure, some people might fetishize that too. And you can say I kink-shame that if that satisfies you enough lol. But you admitted yourself, the behavior is morally and ethically repugnant. Being so blind in a fantasy could influence behavior. And it’s better to address that before it happens instead of afterwards. Any of us are capable of going too far. The Kink-Shame Trump-Card isn’t really working here because of these reasons.