(April 12, 2022, 11:59 am)quasa2 I answered in post #66

men have no say so. it is all on women. this is my simple answer.

Well I agree with that, and well, the other things I mentioned play into that at least when you get into the nitty gritty.

(April 5, 2022, 5:39 pm)golion05 Is the government trying to decrease the population (sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorists) or is it because of covid situation is why we don't see pregnant ladies out here as much as in the last few years?

Let me know your thoughts

A. your not wrong, the government is documented doing a lot of sick twisted shit in regards to population control and B. The younger generations, simply can’t afford to have children let alone be able to financially cover themselves, or choose careers or to travel and work abroad which makes having a child more difficult, thus resulting in the lack of pregnancies in the world.

I am reading the replies here. it seems most of you don't understand the simple demographics of all developed countries. to put it in a nutshell , as wealth increases birthrates decline. people enjoy a better quality of life and choose not to have children. simply put they enjoy holidays ,travel, better housing. they choose not to have children to have those extras in life. Korea is the lowest in the world at .8 % you need 2.1 just to keep a stable population. Italy also one of the lowest in the world. at about 1.1% China has a huge problem now of a massive decline in the birthrate. it has gone from 6.8 % to less than 1,3 % in 30 years . it is all down to an increase in salaries and higher lifestyles. salaries rose from an average of 974 USD a year in 1994 to 15100 USD in 2021 . same problem same outcome as all developed countries. America is one country that tries to control women's fertility. and it's true about forced sterilization in some states.

(April 12, 2022, 10:38 pm)jimbobjoe789

(April 5, 2022, 5:39 pm)golion05 Is the government trying to decrease the population (sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorists) or is it because of covid situation is why we don't see pregnant ladies out here as much as in the last few years?

Let me know your thoughts

A. your not wrong, the government is documented doing a lot of sick twisted shit in regards to population control and B. The younger generations, simply can’t afford to have children let alone be able to financially cover themselves, or choose careers or to travel and work abroad which makes having a child more difficult, thus resulting in the lack of pregnancies in the world.

again it has nothing to do with money or economy. we have it 100 times better than in the 60s . in most european countries  women get unemployment benefits + get paid for having children. the government wants women to have lots of kids the government even encourages it.

(April 13, 2022, 4:11 am)quasa2

(April 12, 2022, 10:38 pm)jimbobjoe789

(April 5, 2022, 5:39 pm)golion05 Is the government trying to decrease the population (sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorists) or is it because of covid situation is why we don't see pregnant ladies out here as much as in the last few years?

Let me know your thoughts

A. your not wrong, the government is documented doing a lot of sick twisted shit in regards to population control and B. The younger generations, simply can’t afford to have children let alone be able to financially cover themselves, or choose careers or to travel and work abroad which makes having a child more difficult, thus resulting in the lack of pregnancies in the world.

again it has nothing to do with money or economy. we have it 100 times better than in the 60s . in most european countries  women get unemployment benefits + get paid for having children. the government wants women to have lots of kids the government even encourages it.

The government has taken the place of the father…..

(April 6, 2022, 8:44 am)Feunski

(April 6, 2022, 2:16 am)LTKNT101 The idea of enforced population control has been something the U.S. government has entertained however the constitution makes implementing it impossible.

There's nothing in the constitution that prohibits this.

Here's some American history that should never be forgotten. The majority of states had laws allowing forced sterilization of women, usually in the context of receiving government assistance or being in a mental institution. This was often targeted towards non-whites and was rationalized as protecting society's morality. In 1964, Legislators in Mississippi proposed making pregnancy out of marriage a felony, with the punishment being either prison or sterilization. These laws are still on the books in 31 states and Washington D.C. Even to this day, judges will offer reduced sentences if convicts submit to sterilization. An OB/GYN in Georgia was caught giving forced sterilizations to women at an immigrant detention center only two years ago.

American eugenics programs were actually studied by the Nazis and used during the Holocaust.

This was unfortunately true, state and US government programs targeted an array of groups of people to control their population, esp on Native Americans in their boarding schools, while they wanted to "assimilate" them (i.e. replacing 500 plus tribes and nations' cultures with the Christian victorian-era Anglo-western one from Europe), but they mainly remained a "race" distinct from white Americans. And until 2018, this was happening against First Nations peoples throughout Canada in theirs as well. The reduction of American Indians whether by ethnological and statistical genocide hits me hard as a person with a late mother via grandfather of Osage/Cherokee ancestry in Oklahoma, though she and I are Californians, and her 2 siblings along with her father and wife (grandma) moved to OK (to him, "back home") in 1970. The main targets of involuntary sterilization were Black people or African-Americans, but again, as a person with autism, anyone with a (develop)mental and neurological disability, mental illness disorder and psychological problems, esp "loose" women and satyrs or men with multiple affairs with women in the 1920s (almost a century ago) were the highest per ratio group to be sterilized to prevent them from procreating and reproducing. Until 1980, the state of California led the world in sterilizations of its state and federal prison inmates, chronically poor or unemployed persons and drug or alcohol addicts, single mothers in church group homes, non-WASP immigrants and minorities (CA's Latinx/Hispanic and Asian populations were also large, but not like it was since immigration from Asia and Latin America increased since 1970) and finally, simply being blind, deaf, immobile, limbless, mute and intellectually "child-like" adults were to be sterilized by court order. A very dark and deep topic...it had to be brought up though, whether it targeted women (because they get pregnant) or men (a fear of "spreading their inferior seed" around) and LGBTQ people were probably the most prone to (pre-1960s) state and federal sterilization orders ("how do homosexual people have sex" or "transgenderism is another immoral/sinful/illegal act" esp in the 1950s). Prejudice meets pseudo-science and to punish women for having a pregnancy out of wedlock (abortion was illegal then but her child was forcibly put into adoption), as well her supposed family history of let's say bipolar, schizoid/-phrenia disorder, Tourette's, depression or anxiety disorders; and if she were white, having a documented ancestor of the "African" or "Asian" and "Indigenous race" ... and in Nazi Germany, modeled it's eugenics program on the US in the 1930s before the 2 nations went to war and the US morally defeated Hitler's evil dogmas, having a Jewish, Roma and Slav/-ic (Polish) grandparent s/he (or her male lover, partner or spouse) hid from the 3rd reich government.

Yeah western eugenics wasn't even that long ago. It's amazing if you even read the kind of crazy justifications they used too, to subject people to invasive surgeries without their consent. Birth rates just tend to decline with education and wealth, as someone already pointed out.

I think most of us know the answer. We are just being careful about saying it. I like your example of south korea, quasa2.

Women's suffrage + education + economics all add up. It's pretty naive to blame it all on one thing. It's also very naive to assume that a declining birthrate is inherently bad or avoidable. It comes with problems, but it's also impossible to always have positive growth to a population without causing problems biologically. It's also very naive to assume that everything was better 60+ years ago.

"New thing bad, old thing good" is a very shortsighted way of thinking because you only remember the nostalgic good things of the past and none of the problems.