(July 12, 2020, 11:54 am)THISISFUNNY

(July 12, 2020, 3:02 am)Jcart4

(July 11, 2020, 8:23 pm)THISISFUNNY Yay mentally ill people trying to be the opposite sex.

Thats fuckin rude as shit and bigoted.

Truth is rarely kind and reality is EXTREMELY bigoted.
Further I'm not very concerned about how pleasant I am to people I don't like.

Except what you say isn't the truth. It's just you being an asshole. And you just hate any Trans person you might meet? Even if they're the nicest person in the world? Yeah that makes you a bigot.

(July 12, 2020, 12:47 pm)Avarics I have a more live and let live view on stuff like this. It doesn’t bother me, and hardly affects me. To reiterate what some others have said, if it is safe for all parties involved then there’s no problem with it in my opinion.

It’s much easier to keep on scrolling and let people do what they do. I doubt that the world will run out of “normal” preggos to admire lol. There is a sense of irony in some of the people that are particularly negative towards it as to being a part of a fetish that is commonly seen as gross, creepy, or disgusting. But, anyone’s entitled to their own opinion. As long as someone doesn’t go out of their way to hurt people, no matter the context, I’m fine with criticism.

That’s mostly why I advocate for psychological studies and not just the run of the mill sociological ones that are common with academics about the issue here. In America, there is a lack of research on this and hopefully that can change because of America’s gradually advancing dialogue of mental health that was near non-existent many years ago.

After all, something like PTSD was only studied to an extent during Vietnam and used to be just called “shell-shock” and attributed to cowardice. Today, research and therapy are both quite extensive. Hopefully the same happens for many new social/psychological phenomena that arise during these times. I’m betting the pandemic only promoted feelings of agoraphobia with isolation orders.

See, I don't come at this issue from a position of hatred of transgender people, I come from a position of sympathy. The sky high suicide rates regardless of whether they get hormone therapies or surgeries tells me this is just as much of a mental illness as that woman who poured drain cleaner in her eyes because she identified as blind. The WHO wants us to deny our eyes though, saying that gender disphoria is not a disorder, even though at least as far as I can tell it has all the hallmarks of one. Meanwhile these people who need psychiatric treatment are being told they're stunning and brave and are encouraged to pay for expensive surgeries that mutilate their bodies, instead of getting treatment to help them be comfortable with the bodies they were born in. Other people who don't even have the illness want to be called stunning and brave and get on TLC too, so you have these stories of people who regret transitioning who have permanently defiled their bodies. Transgender pregnancies seem to me as though they are harmful to the mother, and the child, as even if the baby isn't negatively affected by developing in such a chemically altered environment, what happens if the mother adds to that suicide rate and leaves the child with only one parent? And while I won't say it's impossible for transgender people to be good parents, let's see what the studies say about people with mental illnesses raising children to "chose their own gender" at an age where they really shouldn't even be thinking about that stuff, in addition to lacking a proper traditional father and mother figure. It all feels like a dark path to go down, and I don't even know if I trust academia to produce accurate results with how infested with ideologues who suppress viewpoints that disagree with their doctrine appear to be. I know I can't do anything about it myself, and I'm not going to go up to trans people and tell them to get mental help; if they are truly happy post operations, and these babies grow up healthy and functioning members of society then I agree with the live and let live sentiment. The data we have so far though tells me that many trans people can never be truly satisfied, and I think indulgence in their delusions is a form of cruelty, in this case to both mother and child.

Would you consider that the high suicide rate is caused by attitudes like this that are unaccepting of transpeople?

(July 12, 2020, 2:26 pm)ILikePregnancy Would you consider that the high suicide rate is caused by attitudes like this that are unaccepting of transpeople?

I don't believe this. The media and entertainment industry is crazy for transpeople and anyone who is legitimately pigheaded and rude to them gets shunned by society at large. They get a whole month alongside the rest of the Alphabet community to celebrate their "pride" and hold massive parades even though they're an insanely tiny minority of the entire population. The idea that pure bigotry against transpeople as people is widespread seems to me to be a false narrative, though since transpeople are told so often that bigotry is widespread, many of them start to actually believe it is, and I'm sure that's not good for their mental states. Why are we not trying to help them be comfortable in their own bodies instead of "accepting" them as something they're not, only for them to commit suicide anyway? You know, deal with the root of the problem instead of managing the symptoms with horrific procedures and therapies?

(July 12, 2020, 2:41 pm)ArcanaEmpress

(July 12, 2020, 2:26 pm)ILikePregnancy Would you consider that the high suicide rate is caused by attitudes like this that are unaccepting of transpeople?

I don't believe this. The media and entertainment industry is crazy for transpeople and anyone who is legitimately pigheaded and rude to them gets shunned by society at large. They get a whole month alongside the rest of the Alphabet community to celebrate their "pride" and hold massive parades even though they're an insanely tiny minority of the entire population. The idea that pure bigotry against transpeople as people is widespread seems to me to be a false narrative, though since transpeople are told so often that bigotry is widespread, many of them start to actually believe it is, and I'm sure that's not good for their mental states. Why are we not trying to help them be comfortable in their own bodies instead of "accepting" them as something they're not, only for them to commit suicide anyway? You know, deal with the root of the problem instead of managing the symptoms with horrific procedures and therapies?

"I'm just going to deny that everything that transpeople feel is legitimate, but that's not a form of bigotry, is it?"

I hope that you are trying to be well meaning (but I'm not really sure that you are), but you are not the first person that I've run into with this attitude. This is a straight up toxic attitude to have, and is definitely not good for their mental states.

Also, calling the LGBT+ community the "Alphabet community" is really not helping with your "I'm trying to help transpeople" speech.

Tfw you come back to check on your thread after 2 days and see just how much it devolved. 

   

(But seriously though I have no problem with this, love is love but I hope that these families aren't gonna get harassed by some ultra-conservative nutjobs. If I were them, I would hide my face and refuse to reveal my name to the public, but I guess TLC needs the views and fame)

(July 12, 2020, 3:09 pm)ILikePregnancy

(July 12, 2020, 2:41 pm)ArcanaEmpress

(July 12, 2020, 2:26 pm)ILikePregnancy Would you consider that the high suicide rate is caused by attitudes like this that are unaccepting of transpeople?

I don't believe this. The media and entertainment industry is crazy for transpeople and anyone who is legitimately pigheaded and rude to them gets shunned by society at large. They get a whole month alongside the rest of the Alphabet community to celebrate their "pride" and hold massive parades even though they're an insanely tiny minority of the entire population. The idea that pure bigotry against transpeople as people is widespread seems to me to be a false narrative, though since transpeople are told so often that bigotry is widespread, many of them start to actually believe it is, and I'm sure that's not good for their mental states. Why are we not trying to help them be comfortable in their own bodies instead of "accepting" them as something they're not, only for them to commit suicide anyway? You know, deal with the root of the problem instead of managing the symptoms with horrific procedures and therapies?

"I'm just going to deny that everything that transpeople feel is legitimate, but that's not a form of bigotry, is it?"

I hope that you are trying to be well meaning (but I'm not really sure that you are), but you are not the first person that I've run into with this attitude. This is a straight up toxic attitude to have, and is definitely not good for their mental states.

Also, calling the LGBT+ community the "Alphabet community" is really not helping with your "I'm trying to help transpeople" speech.

Well if what they're feeling isn't justified by reality, what am I supposed to do, lie to them to make them feel better? It's not bigoted to tell someone who is wrong that they're wrong, especially if their misconceptions are taking a toll on their mental state. Treating their disphoria resolves all of their problems related to this issue as far as I can tell. Why aren't you on my side on that? What is the justification for trying to make reality conform to transpeople through a series of expensive invasive procedures rather than helping transpeople conform to reality through treatments that may have some side effects but would likely be more reversable and less harmful than bodily mutilation and hormone therapy?

(July 12, 2020, 4:07 pm)ArcanaEmpress

(July 12, 2020, 3:09 pm)ILikePregnancy

(July 12, 2020, 2:41 pm)ArcanaEmpress

(July 12, 2020, 2:26 pm)ILikePregnancy Would you consider that the high suicide rate is caused by attitudes like this that are unaccepting of transpeople?

I don't believe this. The media and entertainment industry is crazy for transpeople and anyone who is legitimately pigheaded and rude to them gets shunned by society at large. They get a whole month alongside the rest of the Alphabet community to celebrate their "pride" and hold massive parades even though they're an insanely tiny minority of the entire population. The idea that pure bigotry against transpeople as people is widespread seems to me to be a false narrative, though since transpeople are told so often that bigotry is widespread, many of them start to actually believe it is, and I'm sure that's not good for their mental states. Why are we not trying to help them be comfortable in their own bodies instead of "accepting" them as something they're not, only for them to commit suicide anyway? You know, deal with the root of the problem instead of managing the symptoms with horrific procedures and therapies?

"I'm just going to deny that everything that transpeople feel is legitimate, but that's not a form of bigotry, is it?"

I hope that you are trying to be well meaning (but I'm not really sure that you are), but you are not the first person that I've run into with this attitude. This is a straight up toxic attitude to have, and is definitely not good for their mental states.

Also, calling the LGBT+ community the "Alphabet community" is really not helping with your "I'm trying to help transpeople" speech.

Well if what they're feeling isn't justified by reality, what am I supposed to do, lie to them to make them feel better? It's not bigoted to tell someone who is wrong that they're wrong, especially if their misconceptions are taking a toll on their mental state. Treating their disphoria resolves all of their problems related to this issue as far as I can tell. Why aren't you on my side on that? What is the justification for trying to make reality conform to transpeople through a series of expensive invasive procedures rather than helping transpeople conform to reality through treatments that may have some side effects but would likely be more reversable and less harmful than bodily mutilation and hormone therapy?

If therapy actually worked for ending gender dysphoria, don't you think that we would have discovered that by now? Why else would the recommended treatment be gender confirmation surgeries? Why do you keep referring to that as mutilation anyways?

Your opinion does way more to harm transpeople than the existence of transpeople does to harm you (or really anyone at all).

For both sides of this, I doubt anyone will change their mind. It is what it is. I don't really care what people do, as long as they are happy and don't harm anyone. Like I said earlier and it goes for everyone, might be best to just move on and let things be the way they are.

(July 12, 2020, 4:37 pm)ILikePregnancy

(July 12, 2020, 4:07 pm)ArcanaEmpress

(July 12, 2020, 3:09 pm)ILikePregnancy

(July 12, 2020, 2:41 pm)ArcanaEmpress

(July 12, 2020, 2:26 pm)ILikePregnancy Would you consider that the high suicide rate is caused by attitudes like this that are unaccepting of transpeople?

I don't believe this. The media and entertainment industry is crazy for transpeople and anyone who is legitimately pigheaded and rude to them gets shunned by society at large. They get a whole month alongside the rest of the Alphabet community to celebrate their "pride" and hold massive parades even though they're an insanely tiny minority of the entire population. The idea that pure bigotry against transpeople as people is widespread seems to me to be a false narrative, though since transpeople are told so often that bigotry is widespread, many of them start to actually believe it is, and I'm sure that's not good for their mental states. Why are we not trying to help them be comfortable in their own bodies instead of "accepting" them as something they're not, only for them to commit suicide anyway? You know, deal with the root of the problem instead of managing the symptoms with horrific procedures and therapies?

"I'm just going to deny that everything that transpeople feel is legitimate, but that's not a form of bigotry, is it?"

I hope that you are trying to be well meaning (but I'm not really sure that you are), but you are not the first person that I've run into with this attitude. This is a straight up toxic attitude to have, and is definitely not good for their mental states.

Also, calling the LGBT+ community the "Alphabet community" is really not helping with your "I'm trying to help transpeople" speech.

Well if what they're feeling isn't justified by reality, what am I supposed to do, lie to them to make them feel better? It's not bigoted to tell someone who is wrong that they're wrong, especially if their misconceptions are taking a toll on their mental state. Treating their disphoria resolves all of their problems related to this issue as far as I can tell. Why aren't you on my side on that? What is the justification for trying to make reality conform to transpeople through a series of expensive invasive procedures rather than helping transpeople conform to reality through treatments that may have some side effects but would likely be more reversable and less harmful than bodily mutilation and hormone therapy?

If therapy actually worked for ending gender dysphoria, don't you think that we would have discovered that by now? Why else would the recommended treatment be gender confirmation surgeries? Why do you keep referring to that as mutilation anyways?

Your opinion does way more to harm transpeople than the existence of transpeople does to harm you (or really anyone at all).

I’m saying research therapy for ending gender disphoria, and there are in fact treatments that have been shown to have effectiveness in treating gender disphoria. The doctors recommend gender conformation surgeries both because it is politically correct and because it’s more lucrative for them to perform the surgery and the future operations when the complications of the surgeries arise. I call it mutilation because the doctors cut up parts of their body to make it “conform” to their gender identity through a crude and barbaric surgery. I’ve seen video of it. And yeah I know all surgery looks graphic, but this is more akin to necromancy or flesh sculpting. I’m not going to get any more into it, watch it yourself and tell me how it’s anything other than mutilation. My opinion, or anyone else’s has never hurt anyone. Actions are what hurt people, and we don’t need the thought police to tell us otherwise. I have never claimed that the existence of trans people hurts me at all, and in fact they are entirely irrelevant to my daily life. I merely have sympathy for the people who ruin their lives after being fed these narratives and ruin the lives of the children they have with birth defects, and I hope that someday no one else will have to go through what they have. Either way, I never expected to change anyone’s opinion, and this discussion doesn’t need to get any more heated than it already is. Thus, I’ll agree to disagree.